Navigating Motherhood and Business Together: Jen Morris on Passion, Community, and Timing

Welcome to the Real Life Momz Podcast. It is time to take a break from all our to dos and carve out this time to focus on ourselves. I'm Lisa Foster, your host, and today I'm here with Jen Morris. She is the founder of Renegade Motherhood and the Mother Mind Collective, and today we're going to explore the powerful combination of passion, consistency, and community to pave our way to success.

Hi, Jen. Welcome to the show. Hey Lisa, thanks for having me. Well, I'm excited to have you because we've kind of known each other in the community for a while, you know, just here and there floating around, but I recently went to one of your events, which was amazing. I really, really enjoyed it. And I love that you said that motherhood and business is not meant to be done alone.

So that really hit home for me, felt like a warm hug, like, oh my God, thank you. Because as a solopreneur and a mom, like that is just such A welcoming statement. So I'd love for you to tell us a little bit about [00:01:00] what inspired you and the background behind this community that you've built. Yeah, thanks. I loved, I loved seeing you there.

and not being on your table for a concussion, like the first time I met you. And I will plug you, it definitely helped. So you have magic hands and abilities. So thank you for that. I'm glad I found you when I really needed you. I'm glad you found the community when you needed it. So yeah, I mean, I've been in business for many, many years, like almost two decades.

And. Um, you know, solopreneurship, whether you're a mom or not, it can be a very lonely path. And so I very kind of early on in my entrepreneurial endeavors, tapped into the power of professional networking organizations. And it's kind of not surprising that the way I sort of found my first, I was living in New York City, I was pursuing an acting career, I'd started this you know, kind of part time sales affiliate gig.

And I was doing a show and one of the women in the show with me was [00:02:00] like, Oh, your business is cool. You should come to this networking group. And didn't even know like what it was, you know, this idea of like networking.

I was like, I don't even know what this, what this means, but. Went to this first meeting, in New York City, Grand Central Station was at seven o'clock in the morning on a Wednesday. And, even though it was definitely a little intimidating because it was a lot of lawyers and financial people and insurance and a lot of guys in suits, I really quickly saw how powerful this could be from learning a lot, there were quite a few people who were sales people and had sales backgrounds and it was still pretty new to me. And, I, you know, really decided to jump in. I ended up being part of that group and eventually became president of that group, led it for many years , it led to some amazing relationships.

people who are still very much part of my network, even though I've now not been in New York for over nine years. But when I flash forward, however many years had my first [00:03:00] daughter, seven and a half years ago, I very quickly realized that like a lot of my sort of Go to networking communities that were really, you know, again, important, not only for business, but also just for like community, mental health, friendship, strategic partnerships weren't really going to work for me anymore.

The 7 a. m,, time, like with the newborn was, was not easy. And then having to be someplace every single week was also not really easy. So, I started to look for some other ways to, create it in a way that would work for me. Started a different group in Denver that was growing and flourishing quite beautifully.

And then COVID hit and we didn't really have like a digital, presence at that point. And people were so tapped out on, zoom that we just, it just wasn't the right fit. And in the midst of all this, I had my second child. And so after coming out of my postpartum haze, which yeah, definitely.

Definitely struggled with some, mental health things of just being pregnant during a pandemic, , being in business, like we were all home all the time, like many people were, I was [00:04:00] struggling and I was, I'm, I'm an extrovert. I'm somebody who really likes to be with people in person.

Zoom is amazing. It's an amazing tool. It's amazing technology. But it does not for me at least replace the power of like sitting, around a table with a cup of coffee and talking to people. But what was interesting was that prior to COVID, I was like, I really wanted to be with just all types of business owners.

And, , it wasn't necessarily mom specific coming out of the pandemic. I really found myself wanting to have. Conversations with moms, but specifically business conversations with moms. There was something there that was like just this idea. Of like, if we can get moms who have businesses together, we can, you know, I think immediately have a little more compassion and understanding for like how we're showing up.

So if we're, if we're late, it's like, we all get it. We get it. It's like, if, if we show up and then we get a call, then we have to leave immediately because our kids throwing up at school, like we get it, So [00:05:00] that's kind of what, how it started for me was just this idea. I posted in a local Facebook group and part of our community where we, where we live and just said, are there any other moms and businesses here?

And a few, like two people, you know, like liked it and maybe one or two people commented, but, uh, somebody offered space. And we had our first meetup a couple of weeks later. And I think maybe like 12 of us were there and that was, Two and a half years ago now and it just grew and then I got to the point where I kind of had a kind of reckoning with myself of like, I was Most of my entrepreneurial journey had been in nutrition and wellness.

And I really loved that for a period of time, but I felt like I was shifting and evolving as well. And so the things that I used to really, that used to fill me up were just, were changing. And what was really filling me up was building this community and supporting other moms in business. And so, um, about nine months ago, I really made the decision to fully step into this new space and it's just been pretty magic.

So, but you're right. I mean, moms. [00:06:00] We are not meant to do motherhood alone. We are not meant to do business alone. And it's pretty incredible what happens, the magic that happens when you get a group of moms in business. Together. The amazing stuff that comes out of those interactions are just continue to just give me life, even if it's not necessarily directing me, you know, impacting me.

It's I think sometimes it's networking. It's so transactional people are about what's in it for me. And it's like, I get so much joy from just like hearing from people like, Oh, we, yeah, that connection you made, like we had coffee and it was really impactful and, or, Oh, I just, I ended up just, Booking a client through somebody who referred somebody to me.

I mean, that's awesome. Like that's, that's how it should be when we're looking out for the greater good instead of just like, what's in it for us. Totally. It's a beautiful thing. And, and yes, you have brought, I think there are special people out there that like bring and attract special people and that, and your community is exactly that.

Like I went to one meeting, right. One [00:07:00] meeting and you had us like to say a 30 second, Thing about our business, right? And, honestly I had five reach outs. Like when I got home in my email and you didn't even give out our emails, which was the funny thing, because I was like already, cause I had in my head that I was going to, reach out to certain people too, that I took notes on.

And then I realized I didn't have the emails. I was like, Oh my God, these people actually went out of their way and also looked me up. And just like you said, what I think about moms, it's like this instant connection, right? So of course, business and motherhood, it's like such a great harmony together because we do want to help each other.

And those calls I did follow up on, and I did get to talk to people. And it was so funny because it was more like, Oh my God, tell me about your business. Oh my God, tell me about your, like, And we each wanted to know so much about each other versus just pitching ourselves. And it was just beautiful. And I have networked with them.

So thank you for creating that community and just your energy that brings them all together. I love [00:08:00] it. Sometimes I don't hear enough of that, you know, and so it's always, I love hearing what actually happens like outside the meeting, . Yes. And just a reminder for the listeners, we touch more people than we will ever know, right?

When we put stuff out there. So like, yeah, like you didn't even know that, but you touched me and five other people. So amazing. Now let's talk a little bit about that formula that you have to kind of accelerate us on this path. So I think the components you said were like passion, consistency, community and timing.

So can you walk us through maybe some of these different components and how it actually helps us get on this path of success? Yeah, I think so many times we, we get excited about something, and then we don't follow through. And I think as moms, we can be guilty of this because we take on too much to begin with.

But like. If you're listening to this and you maybe you could be kind of in two categories. One is maybe you don't have a business, but you kind of had an idea for something, or there's something that you really love doing.

Like for me, I noticed that some [00:09:00] of my passion was waning a little bit for, for the wellness world that I had been in, which doesn't mean I don't still enjoy it, but I didn't necessarily want to build a business around it anymore. But I was feeling really lit up by the work I was doing inside of this networking community and the conversations I was having.

And so it would have been easy for me to just ignore that and be like, well, everyone knows me as, Jen, the nutrition person, Jen, the postpartum person. And so you want to listen to those downloads that we're getting, especially if it's something that you really like, you get excited about.

but then we have to actually, like, Put the systems in place to do it, a personal trainer would tell you, you don't go to the gym once you don't work out once with a trainer, right?

You don't eat one vegetable and you're good for life, right? It's similar to, to business. You can't have the idea and then Talk about it one time or go to one networking event, right? You have to find the things that you know, you're going to show up and do every day that puts you and your idea out in the world.

That's [00:10:00] kind of the caveat is I think sometimes in the beginning of business, or even at any stage in a business, You can spend a lot of time like being busy, but you're actually not doing anything that's like visibility. And so that's, that's a big piece of it too, is like showing up. So, I tell people like start before you're ready.

And even if it's like, I sort of have, like, there's a few people in the community in Renegade Motherhood who don't actually even really have a business yet, but they have this passion for something, and they figure it out already, like, I just need to keep talking about it and consistently surrounding myself with the next piece, community, ideas do not Thrive in our brains. If you have a business, but you never let anybody know, do you actually have a business?

You know, if a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it, you know, um, Yeah. And so we need to put ourselves around people who are going to celebrate our business, who are going to help share our idea and who are going to also like help us. Maybe brainstorm, problem solve. And I think you have to be really careful about [00:11:00] curating that community.

I think very often, sometimes in the beginning, we can have an idea for something. This could be business. This could be anything. This doesn't have to just be, this doesn't have to be entrepreneurial, like focused. You get an idea. I want to cut my hair, you know? And then you go and you tell like your 40 years, who's only ever known you with long hair, who is very change averse.

And she's like, Oh, but why would you do that? You have such beautiful, , long hair and it really frames your face and it really suits you. And you're gonna, I just think you're going to regret it. So immediately that passion and that excitement you have is like extinguished. And this happens so often in the business space.

We get an idea, we go tell the wrong people. And then that passion is just like a wet blanket is just like thrown on it. And so that's why the community piece is really important, but with the asterisk of it needs to be the right community, a community of people who understand, like. The energy that you're feeling, you know, not always the idea, like, I don't [00:12:00] understand real estate, that's not like my jam or the mortgage industry, but I can still understand what my networking colleagues who are in those industries are feeling when they're struggling with sales, when they're struggling with follow up, when they're struggling with, showing up on social media, whatever that is.

And then the last piece is timing. I highly recommend anybody who has not read the book, Big Magic, to grab it, to listen to it, to read it, however you consume your books. Um, she talks about the idea that there are these, you know, kind of these ideas out there, and like, they're meant for you. But if we don't seize on it, it's going to go to the next person.

So for the, for the woo people listening, and we've, I think a lot of us have experienced that where we have this idea for , an invention or, a name of a program or something. And then we like, don't ever do anything on it about it. And then, a couple of months or years later, it pops up on Instagram and we're like, wait a minute, that was my idea.

Right. So the timing piece again, [00:13:00] has that asterisk of like, When I say timing, it's actually more about like, the timing is never going to be right. The timing is never going to be perfect, especially when you're a mom. And so it's really like accepting that and when you have that passion, when you have that idea, when you are willing to commit to the consistency and surround yourself with the right people, then the timing is now like, that's it, that's it.

I had so many reasons, , over the last year to not do things, to hold myself back, to slow myself down, um, but I knew, like, what I was doing was, like, so needed and, like, was, was making me excited and making me, happy and filling my cup that it was, like, the timing is now 100%.

I want to like finish this before I go to bed I think some would argue, well, like we do too much as moms. And so we don't want to overextend ourselves and burnout. And yeah, there is absolutely truth to that, but I really, For me, at least.

And again, I can only speak to my own experience. Um, [00:14:00] when I'm feeling lit up, when I am, things are in the flow, like it allows me to tap into like energy that I don't always have. And so in those times. I work a little bit more. I maybe stay up a little bit later. Sometimes I push a little bit harder to get some things done because like those energy reserves may only happen a couple times a year.

And if you're feeling that, like, don't ignore that. Don't ignore that. Yeah, and I agree on like every single thing you said. I have people ask me all the time like my clients actually is like, aren't you exhausted by the end of the day, right? Because I do very hands on work.

It's very deep. Um, and I really connect with clients in a deep way, which you've experienced, right? And I always say the same thing. I think when you are doing the thing that you're meant to do, that you love to do, it like lights me up. So I get done with a client instead of feeling drained, like there might be drained on the table because they're like, Oh my God, I'm so relaxed.

I let all that out. Right. [00:15:00] I'm lit up. I just had this amazing journey with this person and I'm excited and it fills me. And so I think when we do the things that we align with, and we are passionate about. It doesn't drain you, even though it's a lot of work and there's a lot of uncertainty. And I think that's the first question to ask yourself if you're feeling very burnt out.

Like, am I still on that path, right? That I want to be on is still my purpose and my cause that I believe in. Am I doing the work I should be doing, right? Because that's when we get so burnt out, right? Yes. Cause I was working fewer hours a year ago, but felt wiped, exhausted, uninspired, unmotivated. But I was like, well, I'll just push harder.

I'll push harder. But like, and then as soon as I was just like, nope, I'm like, nope, I don't, I don't want to, this is not it. And pivoted. It was just like immediate. Yeah. Love how you just explain that. It's beautiful. [00:16:00] Yeah. And then, and then just like you said, for those naysayers, like telling people what you're going to do, first of all, yes, you have to exactly, you have to tell people what you're doing.

All Like you said you came on we have met right and you're like I didn't even know you had a podcast and here I am right and it's so funny because yes for a while I didn't really tell people I just kind of put it out because it was kind of a passion project I also wanted to help moms and it was just something I was doing right but like Yeah, nobody's going to find me on the millions and millions and trillions of podcasts out there unless they know that I'm out there.

So right. Yeah. Don't be afraid to tell people. And once again, when people are saying like, no, you can't do that. Like I don't even know how to turn on a computer. Sometimes Zoom super scares me. People know I am not tech savvy. I'm like, when in doubt, shut it out. That is how I fix it. Everything in my life, shut it out, put reboot, right?

It's on a t shirt. Exactly. Like I do not, this is not my thing. However, like if I would have listened to them, like then I, we wouldn't [00:17:00] be here right now. Once again, if the person that you're talking to hasn't done it themselves, they're probably not the person you should be listening to anyway, right? Like if it's another person who's done a podcast, then first of all, they're probably not going to tell me not to do it, but they're also going to like lift me up because they've been there.

They understand it. So only listen to those people who are also in that circle. It doesn't have to be the same circle as yours, but they're like creating also, like they know. What it takes, not the people who say no to anything, right? Like those are not your people. So totally agree. And I think too, like, especially with, social media and Facebook groups and everything, I found myself when I First had my first daughter, I definitely went into this kind of like self doubt spiral, , because nothing prepares you for parenthood, like full stop, nothing.

You can read all the books, you just never know what you're going to get. And , we're scrolling, we're exhausted, we're sleep deprived. Our brain has changed, like all the stuff, the hormones, like all the things [00:18:00] that, that shift in our bodies that again, not enough people are talking about.

But we, it breeds this like lack of confidence. And so then we go into permission seeking mode, where it's like this idea of like, tell me what to do, or is this okay? And, and we start doubting our own instincts. And that's definitely what happened to me. And that bled into then, like how I was showing up in my business.

And I was looking for other people to tell me the shortcuts, to tell me how to make it easier. But the way they were doing it was, was brilliant. But it was not the way I'm built to do business and to interact with people. And so even though I was doing it, and even though it was like, yeah, making me some money and stuff like that, I wasn't happy and eventually, that's going to catch up with you.

Now that brings me to my, probably my next question here is actually, so, all right, you build this community of moms, right.

And so, Have you, did you ever think like who is going to come? Like, cause I think that's what happens, right? Like you, you build [00:19:00] something and you're like, Oh my God, I'm building these events. Who is going to show up and why, right? Why would they even listen to me, , doing this? So I'm seeing from your face that yes, this is hitting home.

And so like, okay, so with this doubt, like how did you still move forward? How do you overcome that kind of feeling? Cause I think that does stop a lot of us in our tracks. Totally. Like I said, the first time I posted about it, I actually think I, looking back, I thought that it was going to get more comments than it did that first post, you know, like, hey, I still have it.

I screenshot it because I wanted to like, remember what it was like, you know, then, and like, what, what's happened since I think that's really important to like, my friend, Jeff's always says you have to stop and look down the mountain instead of just always looking up at like where we're trying to get to next.

We have to like, look and see how far we've come. but even with that, I was like, Well, I can't hurt to just put it out there. And I think part of me was like, well, yeah, there's gotta be like a lot of moms out there with businesses. [00:20:00] And there really was not a lot of conversation, but there was one person.

And she is the founder of family village, Melanie, which is an amazing organization in Colorado. They have, it's like coworking and plus they have a couple hours of childcare you can use every day. And so it's, it's a fantastic, I can't, say enough nice things about what they're doing. But she was like, let's come see my space.

Cause I could give you a space to use, which was amazing. Cause that was the next step of like, okay, now where do we have this? If anyone wants to come. And then she put me in touch with someone named Megan and Melanie and Megan had run Like a mom's meetup in Longmont prior to COVID. It had also kind of disbanded.

Like my other one had, and she's like, well, maybe like you, we could just bring some of our people together. And so we, we did that, you know, for a while. And so it's like, if we don't put it out there, sometimes it's not about. 20 people. It's about like one person and like one person can put you in touch with another person and then they can put you in touch with another person.

That's why it's called networking. And that's exactly how social media works and [00:21:00] LinkedIn works and everything. And, so many people in sales and business talk about the power of one, but when I look back to some of the pivotal moments of my entrepreneurial journey, It really has been about one person that's led to another and another and another.

It's not about like, Oh, I announced this program and 45 people joined,, in the first hour, like, and that happens to some people, but it only happens because they had the first person. However many years ago that led to another person, another person that builds confidence. So, um, so I'm very grateful to Melanie and Megan because they were definitely instrumental in that early phase of this.

But then I had to work through other things where at first the group was free. It was very much just like it was free. It was very casual. And then I had a couple of people in the community, a big one, Rosia, who was, who's been part of the group from the beginning. And Rosia and I would have coffee and she'd be like, why aren't you charging for this, Jen?

Like, you're working so hard. [00:22:00] Like, I just think like, you know, it's okay to charge for it. And, and I realized like, I was sort of, you know, in some ways we'd go to these meetups and I'd be like, you have to be charging what you're worth. And then I was doing the opposite of that, you know?

So I was like, all right, I'll charge 5, and this was like a year ago. I think our January 2024 meetup was maybe December. It was like a 5 donation. So it wasn't even like you had to do it. It was like a donation. And then I think January was 5. And then I was like, okay, now we're going to do 15. And I'll tell you what, Lisa, like the energy change and improved.

When I actually started charging money and I think in my mind I had told myself it'd be the opposite But people place greater value on things that you value and so I still wanted to keep it accessible That's still a core belief of mine and i'm still as i'm gonna raise prices in 2025 because You know the stuff it's not cheap to find space and i'm still paying people and paying You know vendors and venues and all the stuff [00:23:00] to to be able to grow but I also have, ways of, of making things accessible to people.

And we're starting like a mutual aid fund and some other great things, but people value what you value. And so. The energy shifted and that started to then give me more confidence of like, Ooh, like more people, we need a bigger space now. And so like, I went and sought out like a bigger space. And then we had like 50 people come, to that first.

And I was like, Oh my gosh. Um, but you have to bet on yourself. You know, there comes a point where it's like, yes, I still have imposter syndrome. Yes. I still struggle with self doubt. Um, I have an acting background. So rejection has been part of my entire adult life. And even before that, even high school and stuff, you know, I would put myself out there and not get the role I wanted and so in some ways that's become like a superpower of mine, but it also means like I can still be very triggered when I get rejected.

Definitely my inner child does not like feeling rejected because it goes back to when that cast list was posted and I wasn't on the [00:24:00] part that I wanted, but. again, going back to like that community, when I looked at the community and I was like, I'm doing what they're wanting. I'm providing what they're asking for.

And if that, if a few people don't want it, that's okay. Like, I'm not worried about the few people who don't want it. I'm not worried about the few people who don't come back. I'm focused on the greater, you know, the majority.

But, um, so one thing that I got very clear on was that I wanted to keep it accessible. And so now it's about having like, okay, so what are some ways that I can create some offerings that are maybe a little more like, You know, a higher investment, um, and then still have like lots of ways that people can, can come and experience it for reduced costs or even free for, for certain community members who, who may really need that, who might be sitting, sitting in the situation of like, I can pay a babysitter for two hours or I can buy a ticket and I can't actually do both.

And so how do we, how do we do that? I, I've talked a lot recently about. This idea of like [00:25:00] motherhood and moms in business as an economy. And it's a really cool thing when you can support a mom in business, because it's that idea of like, if you give a mom a cookie, you know, if you give a mouse a cookie, like if you give a mom, a client, if you give a mom a dollar, like the things that happen with that, it can be really awesome because I think when you put money in the hands of like the right kinds of moms with these great ideas.

Moms will show up. We will do so much work for no money. We will do so much unpaid labor, both at home. We are the ones who often serve on the PTAs, serve on the volunteer boards. Do all the things , but in order to make that, footprint even bigger, we have to also be like supporting the economy of moms and businesses.

And so that's been a big part of like, just kind of what I'm marinating on right now of like, how can we, yes, build this community of moms and business, this networking community, but even more so, how can we build this like [00:26:00] economy. Of moms and business because not only does it, you know, yes, it's it puts more money in our pockets and all the things and we can do more for our kids.

But like, it's so much more beyond that. It also gives us ability to really go out and enact the legitimate positive change or maybe free us up to run for office or start the non profit, and so I think moms are like, we tend to be often mission driven, but we can't always achieve that.

mission, that greater higher purpose, if we don't have the financial backing behind us.

So anyway, yeah, it's, it's just, that's very much been on my mind. And, um, how do we continue to grow and how do we. Help, truly help the, you know, everybody grow together and make things accessible, without giving everything away, for free.

So, yeah. It's a big mission, and I know that you're gonna come out on top of it, because you are a [00:27:00] doer, and you're very passionate about the community. So, I can't wait to see, you How it all unfolds. Now, what do you want moms listening to take action on?

That on yourself, If it's that you've had this idea and you're like, I have no idea how I'm going to bring this to the world. Like start with just knowing that like you have this idea for a reason, this idea came to you for a reason. And then seek out community. And if that, if that is, if, if renegade motherhood can play a role in that, you know, awesome.

If it's whatever community that is for you, it could be your neighbor. It could be a mom's group. It could be a Facebook group. It could be, if you're part of a spiritual organization, it could be that. Um, you could be the person who needs to build the community. So I think that's the other piece too.

I sometimes have conversations with people who maybe live in, more rural parts of, of the world or country or, um, or even like really big cities where it's like, you know, I, it's like, there's [00:28:00] literally people all over the place, but I still feel lonely. I believe sometimes people are waiting, waiting for you to like, start the thing to build the community.

And I believe like ideas really come to those people who are like kind of the self starters, the igniters.

And again, let it start with like one person, it doesn't this idea that success is about like, millions of dollars and thousands of people on your email list and thousands of people that sold out events like that's, that's not it. I mean, that can be a goal eventually, but like, it starts with like impacting one person, right?

And then that person tells another person and that person tells another person. So it's okay to let it start. I don't even like the word small because I still don't even think that's small. I think helping one person is massive, but like you said, you'll never a hundred percent know what your impact is, but it won't be anything if you don't start with like that one, one person.

So. It's okay to let that first step be kind of a baby step. [00:29:00] And most people actually, even the big people like Tony Robbins, it's, you know, everyone who is like, here's his name out there. Right. Like he shows like clips of his first video trying to sell something.

And he talks about how it's like the first event I had, like, you know, four, five, for people, it's like everyone, even the big people out there that we look to being one day, maybe are starting very small to not small, but you know, with less people. Right. So yeah, I think it's great. We're not going to be Oprah tomorrow, but we can be Oprah on like her first day.

We're Oprah on her first day. Yes, that's who we are. I love that. That's just, yeah, I mean, it's like we often put people on pedestals, but we forget that they are people as well and that they had to start someplace too.

Yeah. So where can the listeners find you and tell us what you offer? Yeah. So you can go to renegademotherhood.com to find out about all of our events that are happening. Um, right now we have a couple locations [00:30:00] in Colorado and Phoenix, and we're looking to open up more locations for live events throughout the country in the coming year.

2025. And then we also have an online community, um, both a free Facebook group, which we can put in show notes and then also a paid digital community. And that is, we do lots of like smaller group connections. Um, I call it mother minding, like mastermind, but for moms, bringing guest experts and coaching calls and things like that. And then, uh, if you want to hang out with me on Instagram, I'm at itsjenmorris and also renegade. motherhood. So, lots of different, different places to kind of get a taste of things and, um, hang out with us both online or live at an event. Awesome and totally worth checking out. I learned so much from just one event and I'm going to go do a few more events.

I'm looking forward to the new year and one in December I'm going to try to get to too. Great. So yes, we'll have that all in the show notes for [00:31:00] anyone that needs to just click on those resources and then they can just see what Jen has to offer. But thank you Jen for coming on the show. This has been really fun and educational and just inspiring all around.

Thank you for joining us for this episode. Jen is always so inspiring and all that she does.

And if you're looking to join one of her amazing communities, just click on the link in the show notes and check out all that she is offering. And we are officially into the holiday season and gift giving. It is so fun to think out of the box and think creative, thoughtful gifts. So check out what the Real Life Momz is offering.

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